Customers knock GM on noisy engines
Light trucks are now worthless, some buyers say
November 14, 2003
BY JOCELYN PARKER
DETROIT FREE PRESS
Owners of some of General Motors Corp.'s most expensive light trucks,
including the GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Silverado, say the vehicles they paid more
than $30,000 for may be worthless now because of loud, irritating knocking
noises in their engines, lawyers tell the Free Press.
Thousands of vehicles, most from the 1999 to 2002 model years, may be
affected, say the lawyers, who specialize in lemon law. They say GM is quietly
buying back some of the vehicles.
Some experts say the knocking, caused by contact between the engine's pistons
and cylinders, may be damaging in the long run.
GM acknowledges the problem, which it said surfaced when it moved to a new
family of engines, but says it does not affect engine performance and that it
was corrected in later-model vehicles.
The problem is, there's no apparent fix for the earlier models, leaving
buyers angry and worried. "I paid almost $35,000 for this truck. The truck is
almost worthless," said Greg MacNeil, who purchased his 2001 Chevrolet Silverado
two years ago. "In good conscience, I couldn't sell this truck to someone else."
When MacNeil bought the truck, he dreamed it would take him on long trips to
northern Michigan.
But when his engine started knocking just two months after he bought it, he
barely trusted his black pickup to take him 30 miles to work.
"I've been afraid to drive the truck up north," said MacNeil, who lives in
Brownstown Township. "I only take the truck back and forth to work."
Ron Martiny of Oshkosh, Wis., had just returned from Florida in February 2002
when his Silverado's engine started knocking. His dealer told him the sound was
normal. But a month ago, GM bought back his $40,000 truck, he said.
It's unclear exactly how many vehicles or how many kinds of GM vehicles have
this noise, but customers and several lemon law lawyers say the problem occurs
within months after customers drive them off dealer lots.
Lemon law lawyers say they occasionally get calls about engine knock with
other automakers' vehicles, but they report an unusually high incidence of this
kind of problem with GM vehicles.
"In the last year, this problem became really obvious," said Brian Parker, a
Michigan lemon law attorney.
According to dealer service bulletins obtained by the Free Press, vehicles
with the engine knock problem include 1999 through 2002 Chevy and GMC pickups
and sport-utility models with 4.8-, 5.3- and 6.0-liter V8 engines.
The bulletins say that the noises are not detrimental to the vehicles.
But experts say knocking is abnormal and can damage the engine.
What's all the racket?
GM officials say carbon and the amount of clearance between the piston and
the cylinder wall are the primary causes of the knocking.
Usually, when the piston moves up and down in the cylinder, a component
called the ring land, which is near the top of the piston, does not come in
contact with the cylinder wall. But when carbon forms on the ring land over
time, the ring land gets wider and begins to hit the wall. When the two come in
contact, the driver will hear the knocking noise, said Chris Meagher, assistant
chief engineer for GM's small-block V8 engines.
Spacing is also an issue, because when there's too much room between the
piston and the cylinder wall, a greater amount of rocking can occur and can
cause more noise, experts say.
GM spokesman Tom Read said GM has addressed the issue by making design
changes to the piston in some 2002 vehicles and all 2003 vehicles with the
noise. GM has cut the amount of space between the piston and the cylinder so
that the amount of rocking is reduced. The changes also keep the ring land from
contacting the cylinder wall when carbon builds up, Meagher said.
Read said the knocking issue came about when GM started making a new family
of truck engines in 1999. The company, however, promises that the knocking won't
cause any damage to the engine because the carbon that has formed on the ring
land isn't hard enough to damage the cylinder wall.
"Current analysis of 150,000-mile and 300,000-mile engines that have
exhibited cold start noise show no significant wear," Read said.
And despite the controversy, GM's trucks got high marks in J.D. Power and
Associates' 2003 reliability and dependability surveys. The Silverado, for
instance, ranked second in initial quality in the study's full-size pickup
category.
The noise, nevertheless, is irritating to consumers who have spent so much to
purchase the vehicles.
"It's embarrassing," said MacNeil, who is suing GM. "If you accelerate, you
can hear this vehicle 100 feet away."
There's also a question of durability. While it remains unclear whether this
knocking causes damage, lawyers and consumers say the piston's contact with the
cylinder wall can't be good.
Knocking, for instance, has been known to cause damage to the piston, and in
some cases it has resulted in premature engine wear.
Customers in an uproar
Ron Martiny, who bought his Silverado in February 2002, said he took his
truck to the dealer after he noticed the knock and the service manager told him
the sound was normal.
Then, in July of that year, the dealer talked to a GM customer assistance
manager about the problem and later that month, Martiny got a letter from GM's
Chevrolet division offering him a 100,000-mile warranty.
But Martiny said he didn't want the warranty because he planned to drive his
vehicle far beyond 100,000 miles. He sought legal help in early 2003, and
shortly after the automaker came with a $3,000 settlement. Martiny turned
the money down.
According to Martiny and his attorney, Vince Megna, GM finally bought back
the truck about a month ago. The company paid Martiny's $20,000
loan balance, plus another $20,000 and took care of his attorney
fees.
Lemon law lawyers say this process is typical. GM usually offers consumers a
100,000-mile warranty to settle the matter. And when that's not good enough, the
automaker offers consumers some sort of cash settlement for the noise, which can
range anywhere from $2,000 to $5,000, according to consumers and lawyers
involved in the cases.
When the cash doesn't resolve the matter, GM usually decides to buy the
vehicle back, Megna said. Megna said the cases usually don't even
make it to court.
"They know when these are filed, they aren't going to win these cases," said
Megna, who practices law in Wisconsin.
Dan Powell, who lives near Orlando and owns a 2001 Yukon XL with an engine
knock, was so incensed by the knocking that he created a Web site, which discusses the
engine problem and seeks feedback from others with the issue. Powell is also
suing to get his money back for the vehicle.
Not without a fight
GM's Read said the company is working with angry consumers on a "case-by-case
basis." Read wouldn't comment on any litigation, but said the knocking only
affects "a small percentage of vehicles."
Read also wouldn't confirm or deny that the company is offering warranties,
cash offers or buybacks for the vehicles.
What a consumer gets for the problem really depends on how hard they're
willing to fight, lawyers say.
A lawsuit is generally the only way GM will buy the cars and trucks back,
Megna added.
"GM has always bought the vehicle back, but only after being pushed," Megna
said.
GM's reaction deemed typical
Clarence Ditlow, executive director for the Center for Auto Safety, said GM's
stance on the issue is not surprising because repairing all those vehicles would
cost millions of dollars. And if the defect doesn't cause a safety or emissions
issue, it's tough to get a national recall.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says it doesn't even track
these sorts of problems because they aren't safety-related.
Consumers who have this problem should contact a lemon law attorney, Ditlow
said.
"If you have a service bulletin, you're no longer arguing about whether (the
vehicle) is defective," Ditlow said.
Meanwhile, consumers, many of whom are loyal GM customers, say they're
disappointed that there isn't a fix for the problems.
"I would love to have it fixed if they have a fix," Powell said. "Except for
the engine, it's a nice vehicle."
If you are experiencing a piston slap in
your GM car or truck contact David J. Gorberg at 1-800-MY LEMON
(1-800-695-3666) for legal help at no fee to you.
Mr. Gorberg has
represented thousands of consumers throughout Pennsylvania and New New Jersey in
their lemon law and breach of warranty claims.
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